Yohanan Aleph (1 John) 5:7-8

Does Yohahan Aleph 5:7-8 support a ‘Trinitarian” doctrine?

Looking at 1John 5:7 (using TS2009) I do not see a Trinitarian doctrine presented, as others might. Verse 8 goes on to explain that the three who bear witness are 1) “the Spirit”, 2) the “Water”, and 3) the “Blood”; and going on to say, “and the three are in agreement.” The “Three who bear witness” in vs. 7 are clearly outlined in vs. 8, therefore if this is some later edition written in support of a Trinitarian Doctrine; it is missing two of the ‘G-d head’, The Father and The Son needed to make a trinity.

The “Spirit”
The ‘Spirit’ is not shown to be another individual, which if so could be a problem since it is the ‘Spirit’ that emanates from Elohim (Heb. Plr. ‘mighty ones’, i.e., Father and Son), to each of us, who must choose daily whether to accept or reject its’ message and contact with us.

The “Water”:
Water, as represented here, is necessary for cleansing, and renewal of body, mind, and spirit. Torah teaches that we must each ‘pass through the water’, both physically and spiritually to cleanse ourselves of anything ‘unclean’ that would cause separation from His Divinity. In Judaism, the ‘mikvah’ (baptismal in xianity) is filled with ‘Living Water’, that one immerses in while in a fetal position, three times. Each time coming up and proclaiming the Words of a Psalm of praise and thanksgiving. It is through this process that it is taught one is ‘born again’ (the original thought developed long before xianity came onto the scene).

The “Blood”:
In Hebraic thought and Scripture, blood contains the ‘Nefesh’ or soul of the one it came from. This is why Scripture counsels us not to eat the blood of an animal because we ingest the ‘soul’ of the beast when we do so. On the other hand, it is the blood of the offering that was sprinkled on all Yisra’el by the High Priest once a year at Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) for the forgiveness of corporate sin. It is through the blood of the perfect atonement for all mankind in the form of Y’shua Messiah, through His Unspeakable Free Gift, that we may have forgiveness of sin and the will to be obedient to Him and His Commandments; out of love and gratitude for what He has done, is doing, and will do for each of us.


As stated in vs. 8, the ‘three’ are in agreement, that is, they work together in perfect harmony. 1 John 5:7-8 (TS2009) appears to be in full agreement with Torah. Any scribal bias shown through changes to the written Word as seen here would most likely be in support of a Trinitarian doctrine, which, in this case, is not present.

Far and above any debate over these and other texts in the Ketuvim Netzarim (K.N., N.T.), the Tanakh (O.T.), and specifically Torah (first 5 books of the O.T. and our litmus test of any and all spiritual teachings) does not present or support a Trinitarian Doctrine, even though all of the elements are present. If we were to take the approach that the K.N. or N.T. was the proof of itself, we would be guilty of using ‘circular reasoning’, and as such, we would be setting ourselves up to be misled, and/or, to be deceived.

Respectfully, and In His Service

Sha’ul ben haNetzarim